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A cool summer morning in early June, is when the legend began, at a nameless logging camp in Wexford County, where the Manistee River ran.
Eleven lumberjacks near the Garland swamp found an animal they thought was a dog.
In a playful mood they chased it around till it ran inside a hollow log.
A logger named Johnson grabbed him a stick and poked around inside.
Then the thing let out an unearthly scream and came out and stood upright.
None of those men ever said very much, ‘bout what ever happened then.
They just packed up their belongings and left that night, were never heard from again.

It was ten years later in ’97, when a farmer near Buckley was found.
Slumped over his plow, his heart had stopped, there were dog tracks all around.

Seven years passed with the turn of the century, they say a crazy old widow had a dream, of dogs that circled her house at night that walked like men and screamed.

In 1917, a sheriff who was out walking found a driverless wagon and tracks in the dust, like wolves had been a stalkin’.
Near the roadside a four-horse team lay dead with their eyes open wide.
When the vet finished up his examination, he said it looked like they died of fright.

In ’37 a schooner captain said, several crew members had reported a pack of wild dogs roaming Bowers Harbor.
His story was never reported.

In ’57 a man of the cloth found claw marks on an old church door.
The newspaper said they’d been made by a dog, he’d a had to stood 7’4″.

In ’67 a van-load of hippies, told a park-ranger named Quinlinn, they’d been awakened in the night by a scratch at the window, there was a dogman looking in and grinning.

In ’77 there were screams in the night, near the village of Bellaire.
Could’ve been a bobcat, could’ve been the wind, nobody looked up there.

So far this year, no stories have appeared.
Have the dogmen gone away?
Have they disappeared?
Soon enough I guess we’ll know, cuz this is the time to fear, for in this decade called the 80s, the seventh year is here and somewhere in the north-woods darkness, a creature walks upright.
And the best advice you may ever get is never to go out at night.

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Yeah. Okay. Hey, everybody. Welcome to a conversation. Well, this will be, I guess, a conversation about, not a conversation with, right? About the dog man. I got my uh cryptid guest, Rob, from your most interesting story podcast. And we’re going to talk about, is dog men is that the correct terminology here? You know, I’ve heard it. both ways. I’ve never heard dog mans. That sounds a little bit weird. So I guess dog men or men a group of dog man. Yeah. Or a pack. A pack of dog man. Yeah. A pack of dog mans. Sounds like a cigarette brand or something. Yeah. I’ll take the dog man i got a hankering for tobacco and fur. They don’t smell very good, but they like the taste. That’s right. It all smells very wet. Wet doggish. So last time we talked about… Mothman. Mothman, yeah. I was just making sure you remembered. I do. So yeah, Mothman, which was pretty fun. And so I have a little more…
on the Mothman than I do on the Dogman off the top of my head. But this will be fun. Yeah. I do like the Dogman story. But, you know, I don’t think that the Dogman story is quite as prevalent in the cryptid world. You know, kind of Bigfoot, right? Yeah, Bigfoot’s the winner, I think, in that regard. That’s like the king, right? If we had to have a pyramid of cryptidness. Bigfoot would probably be at the top, and a lot of people love to talk about Bigfoot. Yeah. Maybe we’ll eventually get around to that, but in the meantime, I would say in the lower part of the cryptid pyramid, possibly on, you know, not the lowest tier, that would be more like the Van Meter Visitor and the… Oh, what’s the other one? The… I have blank on its name. It’s also from West Virginia. He looks like a…
Flickering Candle, anyway. I can’t remember his name now. That’s how low he is. Yeah, well, and I’m from West Virginia, as you know, so I don’t even know that one. Or I forgot it. Gosh, what is his name? A Flickering Candle. Yeah, that’s what it looks like to me. I’m getting the character from, what is that, Beauty and the Beast? That’s right, Lumiere. Right, Lumiere is all the way at the bottom. Yeah. Be our guest. Be our guest. Put our service to the test. I can sing the whole soundtrack. You could. Yeah. No, I’ll have to think. I will either remember or look it up here in a moment. Yeah, I need to be up to date on every West Virginia cryptid for sure. So vamp for me and I’ll tell you here in just a second. Well, I’ve…
Like last time, Bob, I’ve been doing a little bit of prep work here, been immersing myself in various Dogmen sites. I got it already. What is it? The Flatwoods Monster. Oh, you mentioned that last time. I did. I could not remember Flatwoods. I was thinking it was some other kind of beast of some kind. But the Flatwoods Monster is very low on the cryptid scale. Almost an alien is what they think. Yeah. One offer, too, right? Yeah, there’s not been a lot of Flatwood Monsters to speak of. Repeat cryptid offender. I’m sorry, I interrupted you. Go right ahead. No, I was vamping. I was just saying I’ve been immersing myself and listening to different Dogman accounts and reading up on some sites and trying to get good and faux knowledgeable as I can be about Dogman. I think that’s…
Yeah. I think phone knowledgeable is very good in the cryptid world. Oh yeah. It’s kind of hard to be anything else. I would, uh, I would say Matt Moneymaker is very phone knowledgeable of Bigfoot. Yep. Yep. I think that we could have coined a word tonight. Phone knowledgeable. Phone knowledgeable. F-A-U-X. Did my doctorate in phonology. Phonology. Yeah. Um, So, yeah, no, exactly. Now, there’s a couple of different variations of Dogman. Did you know that? I did. I did. And what’s the difference? Actually, you know what, Bob? Whenever you’re ready, I’ve got a quiz I’ve put together for you to test your Dogman. Out of the gate. Let’s just do that before we learn anything. Okay. So, here’s what I think. This is our pre-test, right? And then we’ll have a post-test. We’ll do a post-test, and we’ll see how you score in both. All right.
Well, I tried to rank these kind of in what I believe to be order of difficulty. Okay. And I’m going to just ask the question. If you want to go for it, go for it. However, we could go multiple choice. That’s like tier two, right? If you have no clue, I can give you multiple choice. All right. I’m going to try to answer without multiple choice, though. Okay. Okay, good. I like the confidence. Yeah, I’m trying. I’m going to try. In what area or habitat do most dogman sightings occur? My guess would be in wooded areas. I don’t know if that’s what you mean by areas, but wooded would be my guess. I had a hard time thinking, what is it, an area or a habitat? But yeah, wooded areas is exactly correct, usually remote. And then there’s an extra part about this where they supposedly like to have access to water. Yeah, all animals like access. I mean, typically, unless you’re earthworm or something. Right.
Well, they still probably like water, but just not a lot of it. Yeah, it’s in the ground somewhere. I have like a worm that way as well. I don’t like being totally submerged. Well, that’s why they come out to the puddles, right? Because that’s their access right there. You know, when I was a kid, before we’d go fishing, my mom would spend the evenings watering the lawn with a hose so that the night crawlers would come out. There you go. It makes it easier. It does. They come right out of the hole. Yeah, they jump up at you. In their own way. If they… you get some of those aggressive ones and, man, watch out they they can take a nibble out of your heel that’s right all right number two what breed of domestic dog do eyewitnesses most frequently compare the dog man to? I’m going to guess a german Shepherd. Two for two yeah very impressive
I wasn’t totally sure, but that was what I think, yeah. I would say wolves, which are not domestic dogs. Well, I guess in some instances people try to make them that way. Yeah, there’s domesticated wolf, yeah. Yeah, okay. And also sometimes Doberman, but German Shepherd is the prevalent comparison. Okay, this is going to be a two-parter. Number three. And I tried to phrase it in a way that will make sense. So there’s going to be a range of percentages. Oh, yeah, okay. I’m going to get this one wrong. Go ahead. Approximately what percentage of witnesses mentioned that their dog man had glowing eyes? And let’s go in spans of 25, you know, zero to 25, et cetera. I think it’s 75. That’s my guess. No, surprisingly, a very small percentage. Well below 25%. Yeah. I was on the wrong end of that one. So this one, I think this one has to be multiple choice because you wouldn’t just get this one out of the gate. But yeah,
of those that do report the glowing eyes, what color do they say these eyes are? Okay, so i’m going to give you four four choices always green yellow sometimes blue, red, sometimes yellow, or a bluish white. I am going to go with red, sometimes yellow. That’s exactly right. Yeah. Hit part B of that question. Thanks. Do I get a whole credit for that or just a half credit? 75%. Three quarters. Yeah. Three quarters credit. All right. What area of the U.S. is the most common to dog man sightings? Generally. What area? Generally, I would say north. A little less general. Okay. The northern part of the Midwest, I believe. The Great Lakes region, yeah. Mostly Wisconsin, Michigan. I need to be more specific, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Ohio, some in Illinois. Exactly right. Yeah. Okay. Wow. I already know more than I thought. You may be getting that doctorate in faux- Faux knowledge? Faux knowledge. Yeah. Okay.
so you know that the dogmen are often seen walking on two legs, bipedally, right? Or running sometimes. What do many eyewitnesses say is different about the dogman’s legs relative to typical bipedal creatures? Well, they’ve been the other way so they’re they’re like dog’s legs. So they bend backwards compared to our legs. That’s exactly right. Do you know what that’s called you know what it’s called? It’s actually Depending on how your legs are built, I guess it could be very painful. But it’s similar to a dog’s leg, exactly. But what the bottom part of a dog’s leg is, which I can tell you I’ve been doing my research, Bob. Yeah, anatomy. Yeah, you got me on this one. So this is called digitigrade. And what they’re essentially doing is they’re walking on their toes.
their tippy toes, right? They’re on the balls of their feet and their toes. And that little backward part is actually equivalent to our heel and ankle. So it’s like an extended foot and they’re just sort of walking on their extended foot. And the actual knee is closer to the body. So I’d be very curious to see where the dogman’s knees are. Cause for a dog, they’re like kind of tucked up into their torso a little bit. Right. Yeah. Cause they have like large haunches. So you really don’t see, you don’t see the knee part so much. No, no. That’s interesting. You know, now that you described it, I never really thought about it like that. But you’re right. So it’s as if you were, yeah, putting your foot, if you were standing flat and then went on your tiptoes, except you had a longer version of that. Oddly enough, the funny thing is, and this is going to be a weird statement, but it’s like those people who are amputees who run, they have those spring legs. That’s what it’s like. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.
So now, you know, digitigrade, and if you… Digitigrade, yeah, I never would have got that. And then plantigrade, where you walk like we do, and the big feet, the big foots do. Walk like the big foots do. But as you were saying before, and I don’t have a question about this, but apparently there are two different types of… Well, not two. There are at least two different types of dogman sightings, one with this sort of dog-like leg, but then one with a more typical Sasquatchian leg. Yes. Oh, I’ve never heard of that, to honest with you. I’ve never heard that they had, you know, for lack, regular legs. Yeah, they’ve… Human legs. They compare them to Sasquatch, Bigfoot, except they have the snout and then the pointed ears, sort of the ears up on top of it. That’s weird. Yeah, I always think, you know, when I think of the dog man, I always think of American Werewolf in London, which is a werewolf, which…
that is kind of related to the whole dog man thing but but the funny thing is people don’t call them werewolves. They call them well let me i’m going to jump ahead and do a question okay this is going to be a difficult one but um and this is going to be one of those sort of like where you had to write out the paragraphs when you got the question in school and then the teacher would grade like what you captured here yeah what what are the differences between a dog man and a werewolf? um Well, other than the digitigrade, plantigrade difference. Yes, yes. I think that werewolves are more wolf-like in the sense that their abdomen is not there, whereas a dogman kind of is more man-like in its whole body, except for maybe the legs, right? So they don’t have paws. They have hands, right?
or some semblance that looks kind of like hands. It’s always dark when people see these things. Right, yeah. And also, I think that they have more of a torso, whereas werewolves are more wolf-like, where they don’t basically have a belly or anything. They just curve a big rib cage into their hindquarters. And then also, I don’t know that dogmen specifically have as pronounced, jaw. So usually werewolves are generally portrayed as having like massive teeth, where I think dogmen seem to typically have more dog-like teeth. They are bigger, right? But they’re not so prominent a feature, you know, unless they’re growling at you or something, I suppose. But, you know, they’re kind of more hidden. That The eyes are, the head’s more humanishly proportioned than it is slender. Okay. Like a wolf, whenever their snout comes out, right, it’s a much more slender head, where I think the dog man is, typically people say it’s, you know, it’s got like a big head like a person. Okay. Interesting. That’s how I’ll respond to that. So…
It’s, it’s faux knowledge. Um, so what in in my you know, very, very deep researching took all week to do this Yeah. All week. And, um, it’s, you almost have the reverse here of what we’re what i’ve got so we’ll start from the highest levels like from a nature perspective, the wolf, the werewolf will transform, right? It’s human part of the time. And then it transforms into the werewolf at, And what time of month? I’m sure you know that. Tomorrow. The next day. I think it’s on the second Tuesday. Oh, yeah. Well, Halloween’s coming up. Right. Oh, yeah. For certain. Whereas the dogmen are permanently canine, right? They don’t transform back and forth. I didn’t, yeah. Well, see, that’s interesting. Because in my head, I didn’t necessarily know that.
there’s not talk of transformation, but it’s implied because they’re a dog, because of the werewolf connection. So anyway, go ahead. Well, yeah, so right. And that’s sort of the, there’s a lot of folks who believe that the dog man, similar to Bigfoot, is some unclassified animal, whereas the werewolf kind of is sort of a folklorian type of an entity that’s sort of been passed down from generation to generation, and the dog man’s relatively new. It’s not just a new name for the werewolf. It’s kind of like, hey, this could be a cryptid as well type of a deal. Or it could be a misrepresented dog man where the werewolf could be you thinking yeah yeah oh yeah sure dog man was just out for a stroll, and they’re like, hey, it’s a werewolf. And he’s like, what well or the the dog man kills the human and puts on his flannel shirt.
goes running around and people think it’s Gus, you know, but it’s actually the dog man wearing Gus’s flannel shirt. Yeah. That and the fact that he says, I’ll huff and I’ll puff. If he runs across the house with the three pigs. That’s correct. Now, in terms of appearance, it kind of flip-flops here from what you were saying. They’re claiming that the werewolf is obviously a little more wolf-like versus canine-like, but they may retain some human features. Whereas the dog man is more dog-like, more upright posture. He’s often much larger and more muscular and has a longer snout. Whereas they’re saying the werewolf retains more of that human morphology. Well, apparently I haven’t seen enough dog men. Well, you know, Thursday is Halloween. So get out there if you’ve got any wooded areas near you. Oh, I do. I live in a wooded area. Holy moly.
There you go. Do you have any house cats? Because I was just listening to an encounter where there’s increasingly, bring some house cats out with you and hang out by the wood line and you never know. I just saw yesterday, there’s a cat that is living in the woods. Well, there we go. You’ve got Thursday night set. Forget about giving up the candy. Yeah, we don’t give you trick-or-treaters this far out anyway. But like we discussed last night. Bring the phone with the camera ready, right? Like we talked about last time. You don’t want to be caught off guard. Exactly. Okay, very good. So I’ll give you a D on that. You didn’t fail. Right. But you didn’t really hit that one like the other ones you did. Well, that was very complicated. It was very complicated. Yeah, that wasn’t a very simple question. That was definitely an essay question for sure. Yeah.
So this is, I think we’re going to go back now to one of the more simpler questions. Unlike dogs and wolves, what does the dogman have at the end of his front legs slash arms? Like digits? Is that what you mean? Yes. I’d say like fingers. And attached to the fingers, a palm maybe? A hand. A hand, exactly. Yeah. There we go. Perfect. I thought I was going to the very tippy tip. You were, you were going too far down and there’s usually long, long curbed claws too. They talk about the claws a lot. And he usually has fingerless gloves. He has a toothpick. That’s what he, where he gets his jean jacket. That’s right. That’s right. The jean jacket that says lone wolf. Um, what are, this is okay. This has to be another one of the, uh, um,
the multiple choice ones. Otherwise, you’re not going to likely get this one. But what are the three most commonly, you can tell I didn’t do a lot of pre-fruiting. What are the most commonly reported fur colors of a dog man? Oh, let me guess real quick. Okay, go for it. I’ll just take a guess. I think it’s red, gray, and brown. Now trade in the red for black and you’re there. Really? I thought there was red in there. I have seen a few. I had to go with sort of what the data showed in terms of all the counters that I was able to go through. The red must have been one of those. Sometimes there’s a touch of white. Yeah. I even heard one that had described like hyena speckled legs. Really? Yeah. That’s interesting. Mm-hmm.
What did I say? Gray, brown, and black. Is that what you’re saying? Gray, brown, and black. Sometimes described as silver. The gray is… Very good. Interesting. Relative to other cryptid sightings, what’s unique about the vibe slash feelings that witnesses get after encountering a dog man? Hmm. other than terror? Yeah, more so than just terror. I would think there’s a lot of confusion because you’ve seen something that doesn’t make any sense in our world today. I would say there’s a lot of confusion and thinking that maybe you didn’t see it i would say a dog or something, yeah. Yep, yep, the But I would say that probably also is true for almost any cryptid. Like if you saw Bigfoot, that same… The thing that they call out and I’ve noticed and was confirmed with my extensive research as… Did you do a telephone survey? I was calling for hours. But no one’s picking up because it’s election season. That’s right. They report a sense of menacing evil…
or even just that the dogman is some sort of projecting this desire to kill them. Really? Wow. Yeah, there’s definitely sort of a, is an evil dude hangover that seems to carry on with the witnesses after these guys. So when you go out on Thursday night, report back. Okay, if I see anything, I can tell you that in my backyard, I haven’t seen a dogman yet, but… I have seen three things that have confused the hell out of me when I first saw them because they weren’t squirrels or rabbits or raccoons. And that was a turkey, which was weird because it was a single turkey. Usually they move in with numbers. A beaver, which again was weird because I was like, what the hell? And a fox that had the head…
the size of a basketball. It was the biggest fox I’ve ever seen. Was his body proportionately large? Yeah, it looked like a dog, but it was a fox. It was this big, big fox, like muscular fox that come lumbering out of the woods, went across my backyard and then went into another wooded area. Yeah, the beaver did the same thing. The turkey actually was going into the woods, which was even more bizarre. Maybe he escaped. Maybe, I don’t know. I’m like, what is that? Oh, it’s a turkey. All three of them, I stared at them for the longest time before I figured out what they were because that’s not the norm. I live in a suburban area of San Jose and we had a heron, like a big blue heron laying on the fence in the back of our yard. And like, you’ll see them
And some of like the water canals, they’ll kind of like cruise over or maybe catch them flying overhead. But just to have one of those sort of perched on your back fence, that’s a little bit of a what moment as well. Yeah. We had a blank on it. Marmot. It’s not a marmot. Anyway, it looks like a beaver, but it doesn’t have a tail. Right. Groundhog. Groundhog. Thank you. And. I didn’t think that sounded right. A groundhog that was living in the edge of the woods in the backyard for a long time and it would come out and eat dandelions. And then when the dogs barked at it, it would scurry back. But yeah, that’s what a beaver looks like when it’s wet and has a big thick So yeah. Anyway, but the other thing is around here, this gets into dog man territory. I have seen, and my family thinks that I’m nuts,
But I was not too far from the house. I was driving and I saw a wolf. Oh. But not a huge wolf. A very… It wasn’t a coyote because I’ve seen a coyote. And coyotes usually look sickly. Very thin. They’re very thin dogs. But this was a muscular animal and it was not a German Shepherd. It was a wolf and it ran across the road in front of me. And not too far from here. So… And I saw a bear, which everyone says there’s no bears in this area. But my wife and I both saw three bear cubs. Really? Yes. And we were so confused. We were driving not too far, trying to get home. And we look out and we see what looks to us, both of us, three bear cubs playing at the edge of woods in a field.
No mama bear in sight, but just the cubs. And at that time, everybody had said there’s no black bears in this part of the, this far south. And guess what? This last year, black bears all around us. They had sightings in the cities and everything. And this black bear who got, I don’t know if it was the same one, but got confused and was going through people’s garbage. um was around here. So they were wrong. So you’ve got some kind of a a nature breeding ground near you perhaps well we have water, lots of water near us. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. So no, it’s fantastic. I mean, I, I don’t live so far out that it’s like in the middle of nowhere. I just live far enough out to where it’s not in the middle of anything. You know what i mean? So there’s not a lot of noise in other things. And so,
Yeah, it’s just interesting. But those are probably all my interesting animal sightings so far. And again, not a picture of one. None of those do I have pictures of. We’ve got resident coyotes that now come into the neighborhoods. There’s a river that’s usually dry in the summertime, as you can imagine, around here, I don’t know, half a mile or a mile from here. And I think they travel up the riverbed, but they’ll come into the neighborhoods at night and they’ll snatch up the house cats. Oh, great. Mm-hmm. That’s a relatively new addition to the, what are they? They would be the fauna, right? Are they the flora or the fauna, right? They’re the fauna, yeah. Okay, the flora, right. Like the faux knowledge. The faux knowledge of fauna. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you so much. I just thought…
It’s related. List of animals in there. I’m still picturing the muscular oversized fox. Oh, yeah. This fox was, you know, he was king of the wing or whatever you want to say. He did not care that I was watching him. I don’t think he cared if anybody was. Kind of like the Carfax fox? No, he was bigger than that. He would be like muscular. It was the… Biggest fox, I’ve seen other foxes like the Carfax, little foxes and cute foxes. And for a while we had foxes living in a whistle underneath the driveway, you know, a tube, you know, a drain. Oh, sure. Call it a whistle. But anyway, they were living in there when they were babies and then they came out. But no, this was like, you know, the Arnold Schwarzenegger of foxes come out of the woods and just meandered across the.
the yard. Interesting. He’s like, I’ll be back. Get to the chopper. All right. Should we get back to the quiz? Two more questions. I’m sorry. Go ahead. No, don’t apologize. That’s all good stuff. So what’s the famous name of the late dog man, reporter, researcher, and author Linda Godfrey coined for the dog man that was seen around Elkhorn, Wisconsin. in the late 1980s and early 1990s my i think this is my favorite dog man story okay and and is on my list of places to go the beast of bray road exactly right yeah i got i’m i will be Eventually, I will get to bray road because it’s, I mean, it’s a ways away, but it’s not too far. Now, this last one is uh
if you get this one right, then you automatically get 100 of the entire crisis yeah okay in 1936 and this is, what, 50 plus years prior to the whole bray road hullabaloo, Mark shackleman reported seeing a dogman-like creature digging in an indian burial mound near Jefferson, Wisconsin. Now, he heard this foul-smelling creature utter a word, supposedly really what was that word i have no clue i’m going to take a guess do i have a lifeline can i call a friend or anything um we could go to multiple choice oh we haven’t done that let’s go to multiple choice okay the first guess is rosebud okay the second choice is destiny The third choice is Gadara. And the fourth choice is Shapoopy. Shapoopy. Shapoopy. I’m going to say Gadara. You got that right, and so you automatically won the quiz. Destiny was the guy who went to a strip club, and that was his favorite stripper.
And then we know Rosebud is from Citizen Kane. I’m trying to think of where Shapoopy is from. I think that’s the music man, right? Right. Okay. That’s right. I know I’ve seen it. I couldn’t remember where it was from. Yeah, Godara. When you said Godara, it clicked. So I must have read that somewhere because as soon as you said it, I knew some of the other ones because it could have been Destiny. That was the only other contender for me having some other knowledge. But, yeah, Gadara, I’m like, oh, yeah, I think i’ve read that story. Yeah, nice, 100 Get out of town well yeah well a couple of misses there no you got a you got a little uh better than i thought so you got a little dog man decal on it on the paper as well hey well you should make this uh your picture there decal stickers stickers are in, apparently, right now so yeah you know yeah that’s what
That’s what the kids are telling me. The kids are telling you all about stickers? Yeah, they love stickers. They stick them on their water bottles, their Stanleys and their Yetis and all that stuff. Are you giving out stickers Thursday night? That’s all they’re going to get. That’s all they’re going to get. You know, one year, speaking of Halloween real quick, in St. Louis, I used to live in the city before I moved away into the country. And when we lived in the city, this has been a number of years ago, In St. Louis, the Halloween tradition is that the kid has to tell you a joke before you give them anything. Interesting. So all these kids, it was great fun. So you’d sit on your porch, and all the kids would come up, and they’d each tell you a joke. And they’d tell the same joke to everybody, to all the houses. And then they don’t get their candy until they tell a joke. And one year, I did candy…
for a joke, but i also did um tattoos those little temporary tattoos. Uh-huh. Kids ate them up. They thought that was better. They didn’t eat them literally they all they all wanted a tattoo. I said, I’ll give you you can take you can take your choice of the candy bucket or the or the the tattoo bucket. Oh, give me a tattoo. Ah, nice. So that’s another uh suggestion for the for people out there. You could just give out temporary tattoos. The kids love them. Stickers and tattoos Okay, so I also have a timeline I put together for you. Do you want to hear a timeline and how Bray Road fits in to the whole dogman scenario? Okay. Actually, let me ask you a question. Yeah, go for it. In the quiz mode here, before we get to the timeline, I’ve got a question because I love this. I don’t know if I can give you multiple choice, but I’ll do it on the fly because I didn’t prepare like you for a quiz. Okay.
Can you tell me the name of the dog man of the South? There is a name for a specific cryptid that generally comes from the Southern state, specifically Louisiana and, you know, Mississippi type area in the swampy areas. And it’s a dog man and he has a specific name. I’m going to take a whack at this only because I was listening to a, somebody recounting a sighting, and he mentioned the term, something like slim foot slack foot i mean that could be one, but that’s not the one i’m thinking of. Okay. So, okay, your multiple choices are slim foot to get me out of the gate uh um larry larry yeah uh rougarou and kangaman I’m going with Rougarou. It’s the Rougarou. Nice. I love that word. And it is a dogman-like entity, cryptid, whatever you want to call it, that mostly resides in swampy areas down in the south. Interesting. They call it the Rougarou. I’ve definitely heard that word before, and I’m sure it’s been on encrypted shows, but I had not associated that with dogman. Yeah. Watch out for the Rougarou.
You got to say it with a, you know, kind of like that Cajun French. Oh, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You’re eating. What are we down there? Jambalaya. Yeah. And the brugaroo is peering in the window. Oh, yeah. Jambalaya. Watch out for the roo-roo. I am not about to try to do a Cajun accent for you. If I had a harmonica, I’d start playing it. All right. All right. So go ahead with the timeline. The timeline. I just wanted to throw that one out there. No, this is important stuff. We need to cover all of these facts. This is all for knowledge. In order to truly give the listeners the kind of education that they’re after. Yeah. Okay, so in 1887, this is the earliest reported dogman sighting, and it was in Wexford County, Michigan. And lumberjacks encountered a creature,
with a man’s body and a dog’s head. Now, I’m assuming it wasn’t a creature carrying a man’s body and a dog’s head. It was a creature that had a man’s body. Juggling them, yeah. And this is sort of what specifically associated with the Michigan dogman legend, which is across Lake Michigan from Wisconsin. And now we head into the one we’ve already talked a little bit about, where this Shackleman guy in Jefferson, Wisconsin, saw the dogman-like creature. He described it as sort of a dog-ape hybrid creature standing over six foot tall, emitting a foul stench, and digging in a burial mound. And that’s where he said the word gadara to him. Or he heard him say, maybe he’s muttering it to himself while he was digging. I don’t know. Yeah, maybe that’s who was buried there. Maybe. Or maybe it was like he was saying, dig farther, and he couldn’t form his words properly.
You would think that the dog man, if he had a speech impediment, it would be growling. Gadara has got a pretty good growl to it. Gadara. He was talking to his wife. Dara, his wife, he’s like, Gadara, bring me the shovel. I’m tired of digging. They all sound like pirates, apparently. Yeah, they did have a pirate ring to it. All right, now we go to, we shoot ahead to 1964. where Dennis Fulis, do you know him? You live near this place, in Harvard, Illinois. Harvard’s a little bit more north, but yeah, I know where Harvard is. Oh, do you? Okay, excellent. He observed a dark brown creature running across the road and jumping a fence. This is kind of like your wolf sighting, but I don’t think your wolf was on two hind legs, was it? No, no, it wasn’t. He was running on all fours.
So this is another sighting outside of Wisconsin. So this is where we’re getting the whole Great Lakes region going on. Yeah. And in 1972, the year of our Lord, a woman in Wisconsin reported an attempted break-in by a large unknown animal and then later claimed that it returned and injured a farm animal. So this is about 15 years prior to the Bray Road cluster of sightings. And here we go. Now, this is in 1987, a Michigan DJ named Steve Cook released a relatively terrible song called The Legend. And it just is sort of, I think he must have heard Convoy by C.W. McCall. Remember that guy? Right, yeah. And he decided he had a good idea. I’m going to do one of these, but I’m going to do it about this Dogman creature. Dogman. I wish it was as melodic as that, Bob. It’s really not.
So he says that the song was fictional, but he does reference that 1987 encounter where the lumberjacks were poking the creature with a stick in a log or something like that. Oh, I’m a dogman and I’m okay. But it sort of apparently sparked some interest around that area in the Michigan Dogman and potentially influenced some of the sightings around Elkhorn, which is where the Brave Road is located in Wisconsin. Yeah. And so that’s where we get into the late 80s and 1990s where we have these. And this is where you’ll be going to, and I’m sure reporting back. Oh, yeah, I will. And my plan is to be, I hope to go there maybe over this next year. So we’ll see. Oh, really? That’s awesome. Yeah, yeah. No, no, definitely. So the numerous accounts describe encounters with a large, upright canine creature along Bray Road and the surrounding areas. In 1989…
Laurie and Drizzy witnessed a muscular beast with gray-brown fur kneeling on the roadside holding what appeared to be roadkill. And then Scott Bray, I’m assuming probably related to whomever the road was named after, a dairy farmer saw a strange-looking dog, in quotes, in his pasture near Bray Road in 1989, so the same year as the last woman, Also that same year, someone named Russell Guest encountered a black and gray furred beast standing on his hind legs near Bray Road. Heather Bowie, you may have heard of her. She’s an 11-year-old girl. Around Christmastime 1990, saw a large dog-like creature stand up on its hind legs and charge at her and her friends. Oh, gosh. Yep. Another dairy farmer, Mike Etten, in March of 90, spotted a dog-like beast eating something while sitting like a raccoon.
And then Doristine Gibson in 1999, this is a pretty bit of a jump here, her car hit a large object on Bray Road. She then encountered a hairy figure which later jumped onto her car trunk as she drove away. And so that’s the high-level cluster of Bray Road sightings kind of point by point there coming from essentially 1989 through the end of the 90s where that kind of… ended with that that trunk jumper. The trunk jumper. Yeah, I think that was uh the uh chumbawamba’s latest album is called trunk Jumper. That’s their comeback tour. Right. I get knocked down. I’m a dog man that’s there’s yeah there’s something there. There’s something there. That’s fascinating. The interesting thing about the dogman is that you don’t
there’s not as many sightings, right? And now my question would be, do you think there’s not as many sightings because there’s not as many of them? Or do you think that sometimes the dog man’s on all fours and so therefore everybody just thinks it’s a big dog? Well, given the, most of the accounts talk about it being over six, seven foot tall and some of them like as heavy as three, four, 500 pounds. There’s just one account that, again, I’ve been I’ve been diving deep. There’s this one Dogman Encounters radio podcast that has over 500 episodes. It’s been going since 2014. Holy, all on the Dogman? Yep, all on the Dogman. That’s some OCD. That is some sharp focus on his… He has faux knowledge on phonology. He’s the host of… But there’s one encounter where…
This thing came running, and they said it was the size of a cow. It was charging and chasing. This guy was driving a small car, and he thought that the creature was likely trying to knock the car off the road so that it can get the yummy snacks inside. Oh, yeah. Everybody knows. The VW Beetle has the best snacks. It doesn’t go as fast as some of the other cars that come by. Yeah. Wow. That is as big as a cow. Well, maybe they confuse them as a cow when they’re on all fours. Maybe. I think it’s, I mean, part of it is because just big, well, okay, here we go. It’s, I have to put the big asterisk on these statements and that now I’m forming a theory around something that, you know, who knows it’s, it’s a cryptid, right? But there, there could be credence to the concept that, you know, Bigfoot’s been in mainstream Americana for decades.
how many years since the Patterson-Gimlin film to some extent, the Dogman is relatively new and people still have, you know, as they say, are very leery to kind of come out and talk about their experiences. And so we may find that over time that there’s a lot more of these that people just don’t talk about and it hasn’t been quite so readily accepted. And so maybe 10 years from now, they’ll do some sort of exponential increase in Dogman sightings. That’s true. That’s true. Yeah, because first thing, right? So if you go around and you say, I saw the dog man, the first thing you’re like, yeah, you saw a dog. Because with Bigfoot, at least, they’re like, well, you just saw Ed. He’s really hairy. But I mean, there’s not like a comparison. Yeah, not a lot of apes, large apes or gorillas. In the area. But with the dog man, if it looks like a dog, they’re like, yeah, it’s a dog.
But it was saying guitar-a. It was singing guitar while playing a guitar-a. A guitar-a. Yeah, so you’re right. I mean, I think that this would probably have more stigma associated with it than Bigfoot was reporting. Yes, because it’s not as readily accepted. Plus, I think people just get kind of freaked out about it. I’ve heard some stories about them following, according to the witness, they’re seen then outside their homes after they leave, like they encounter them in the wooded areas and they go back and they’re seen sort of in their yard. So there’s some sort of a belief that they try to push this out of their mind, maybe more than they would something that, something as more calming as a Bigfoot sighting, right? Yeah, well-
But you mentioned that people have this kind of, you know, terror, evil terror kind of feeling. Whereas with Bigfoot, people don’t always report that. They say it’s scary at the moment, but they don’t necessarily say that they felt it was emitting… Evil, yes. Evil to them. Intent to kill, right. So that may be a big difference there. Yep. Huh. That’s interesting. I… I wonder, just given my short list of weird animals that I’ve seen, that you would at first not even know what the heck you were looking at. Well, heck, I can’t even give my family to believe I saw a wolf. Exactly. And they supposedly all love me. At least that’s what they keep saying. I go, yeah, I was driving and
And this wolf ran across the road and I watched it go across the field and then across the road and across the field into the woods. And they’re like, no, you didn’t. I’m like, yes, I did. So here’s a typical physical description based on all of the different sightings that the AI that I use sort of put together for me. I said, give me a typical sighting description. Creature is large. Often described as being at least seven feet tall when standing on its hind legs. Yeah, Many witnesses compare its size so that of a large bear. It’s often described as being muscular or being built like a bodybuilder. Or the Fox in my backyard or the fire right the the baby bodybuilder Fox in your backyard. It’s covered in fur, usually dark in color, as we know, black, brown, or gray.
Sometimes described as being patchy or matted. Those are the ones that don’t groom as well. Face resembling that of a dog, specifically a German Shepherd with pointed ears and a long snout. I’ve heard a number of folks mention the little tufts on top of the ears, like the lynxes have. They brought up that detail. Capable of moving very quickly, both on all fours and on two legs. Some see it jump incredible distances. Maybe onto your trunk if you’re driving by. Just jumps on your trunk or, you know, tries to knock your, you know vilt’s wagon off the road, whatever. So this is back to the whole musical dog man this creature often makes vocalizations such as howls, growls, snarls, and even whistles. Now I have a hard time understanding how it
dog could whistle because of the way the lips don’t really close that well and the big the relative you got a booger stuck and it’s really more of a nose whistle a nose whistle that could be it yeah many years of evolution potentially so they can whistle successfully through their their noses usually sighted in nighttime or early morning rural or wooded areas we covered that already um and then they Many witnesses describe a feeling of being watched or followed before actually seeing the creature. Oh, really? So they have a weird sense that something is nearby. Yes. Yeah. Some sort of a primal fear that’s triggered. Potentially. Yeah. Interesting. Displaying phonology. Yeah, that’s right. Phonology, exactly. Yeah. But I wonder if there’s been studies on people walking in even familiar places during the day and then at night, and do you have different… Do you feel you’re being watched the same amount during the day versus the night? You know what I’m saying? Same area, same walk, same distance and everything, but you just change it from day to night and see if…
people experience that feeling of being watched more during the day or more during the night? I would say more during the night would be my guess. They would see because you lose the visuals that you had during the day. There’s less light. There’s more areas that you can’t. If I walk around my neighborhood during the day with my dog, I could just do a quick scan and I know if there’s anyone or anything within 100 yards of me, all sides. At nighttime, that’s a different story. You can’t really get that same sense of comfort. But then that – would that trigger this, you know? Because the weird thing is, you know, sometimes in the middle of the day, I can, you know, be someplace and know somebody’s staring at me and turn around and see them. You know what I mean? So – Do they have tufts on the end of their ears? No. Usually? I don’t know that I went into the fact that people stare at me all the time, but it happens. It does happen? Yeah. Oh, no. I –
Anyway, I’ll give you the quick synopsis. I used to joke when I was younger that I was famous because everyone would stare at me as if they knew who I was, even though they didn’t know who I was. And sometimes people would even ask me, do I know you? Where do I know you from? Okay. And I mean, it happened a lot. I mean, so much so that I formulated this whole joke that I was famous. And so, cause I would be with people like miles, my cohost for static radio, he would get aggravated because literally people would walk up to me and talk to me. And then they would be like, you’re walking along. We were in college together, walking along. They come up and they go, Hey, how’s it going? I’m fine. And they just make small talk and then break off. And he goes, who was that? I go, I have no idea.
I just had no idea who they were. Thought of a good nickname for you, Doppelganger. Yeah, Doppelganger. That’s a good one. Thanks. I’ll take it. Yeah, you’re the Doppelganger. But they assume that they know me, but I do. And actually, the weird thing is, and I don’t have like a big goiter or something. I don’t look grotesque in any way. I’m not going to be on Dr. Pimple Popper or anything. But my son experiences it too because he and I share a lot of the same traits. And we have a face that’s not an overly familiar face, but it’s an overly different enough face that it triggers something in people. And he gets stared at too. So out in public a lot of times, I will be sitting somewhere and people will be intently staring at me trying to figure out how they know me when they don’t know me at all. And it…
was somewhat unnerving when I was little and I even prepped my son for it as he, when he, this sounds bizarre, doesn’t it? It’s time we had the talk. Honestly, I did. I go, this is going to happen and it’s not your fault and no one’s being mean or anything that it’s just, I don’t know what the, I don’t know what you would call it, but that this happens. And, and now that he’s older, he’s like, yeah, It happens. It’s weird. That is odd. I’ve never heard of that. Maybe if you… I need to coin it, like phonology. Exactly. We’ve got to work on that too. Doppelganger phonology. And I’m not amazingly beautiful or anything either, Rob. Thank you very much. I guess I think the way we describe it is we’re…
were just odd looking enough, but normal looking enough that it throws people. I was thinking maybe you are some sort of amalgamation of the most common features of everyone sort of put into a single individual. No, probably a little more of the opposite. Okay. But not in a grotesque way, but in a… So unique enough to somehow trigger the sense of… Right, but not so unique that… You never forget me, but just you’re going to get up to where you think you know me. So, yeah, I don’t know. It’s weird, but yeah, we’ll just call it… Let’s call it the doppelganger effect of visage. So my visage is a doppelganger of many things, apparently. Anyway, we’re off topic. Yeah, we kind of traveled down a side path. I didn’t mean to get into that, but…
maybe one day we’ll we’ll meet up and you’ll see what i’m talking about right right yeah yeah i’ll try to picture we’ll do it. If you saw the picture, again, it would be like the wolf situation. and be like, yeah, no, it’s not. so we’d have to stage something where you’ll be in a certain area and i’ll have to pick you out by who looks the most familiar to me and we’ll see if i can actually yeah we’ll have to figure out who you are yeah the uh because yeah otherwise you’ll if you looked at the picture, you’re like, this guy’s some full shit well i’m sure just i mean the The number of times you’re saying it’s happened and now it’s happening to your son is pretty – Yeah, no, it is – it can be unnerving, yes. So, yeah. Unfortunately, you know, it’s not the beautiful women that come over and talk to you about it. It’s the stranger people who come over and talk to you about it. You’re like, what? Yeah. Do I know you from somewhere? Were you –
Screwing my wife. No. So anyway, it’s back to the dog man. Let’s go back to the dog man. have a personal story about the dog man. I’ve been doing a lot of dog man research. Oh, yeah. We’d love to hear this. Well, I mean, don’t get too excited. It’s more just topical and happened recently. But I’m over here and I’m listening. I sort of cycled into my podcast listening sequence, these Dogmen Encounter radio episodes. And I’m looking up these different sites and getting a summary of the Beasts of Bray Road book, et cetera, et cetera. And I’m working this morning on my computer in my normal day job. And I hear howling sounds. So I turn on my computer and I listen. I don’t hear it. I start working again and I hear it again. I take my headphones off. I’m like, that’s my wife who is, you know,
About 10 feet away. I said, did you hear that? She’s like, no. I said, I could have sworn I heard something howling. It was like 8 o’clock in the morning. And it wasn’t a coyote, right? Because like you said, they got those sort of yippy, sort of yowly sounds. It sounded like a dog howling. But I mean, I know all the dogs in the neighborhood. And I don’t think a dog’s going to walk down the street howling, typically. So that’s fine. Maybe it was on the music. I was listening to a Gordon Lightfoot song. Maybe there’s some. Was it Sundown? It was not Sundown. It was The Minstrel of the Dawn. Yeah, it’s, it’s, I was doing a throwback morning. It was a song that I remember hearing when I would wake up for, for high school. I had it on this, I put together a playlist of songs to listen to as they woke up in the morning and that was one of them. So I just, but anyway I’ve never heard a, a dog or wolf howling in that song. And then, um, last, actually this is yesterday morning. And then last night I’m, I’m back here in my little podcast den and my wife’s in the other room and she’s like, did you hear that? I’m like, what are you talking about? She’s like, I just heard some howling as well. So, um,
All of my Dogman research appears to be attracting some sort of potential howling sound around my house. Do you think it’s… You didn’t hear Gadara. I have not yet heard Gadara. I was checking. Maybe there was one slipped into the background somewhere. Gadara. The phone’s been ringing a lot. I don’t pick up the landline anymore. So there could certainly be a chance that one of those calls might have been somebody gruffly saying in a… In a Cajun pirate voice. That’s right. You didn’t have any sense of evil lurking, did you? No. No sense of evil. No. Interesting. Just dogs barking. Just howling. Howling. Howling. Yeah. Howls. Yeah. That’s weird. Mm-hmm. The only sense you’ve been researching. I had never heard it before this. Right. Yeah.
You know, it’s kind of like that thing where, you know, when you get a new car and you think it’s original and then everybody else has got the same damn car. That’s true. Yeah. There’s a lot of howling going on in the neighborhood. I just never pick up on it. Maybe that’s it. Now, my dog will howl at sirens sometimes. You weren’t listening to Warren Zevon, were you? I was not listening to Warren Zevon. Or Moondance. He’s got a few howling songs in there. Right. And then Moondance was in that one movie. It was the one movie you referenced earlier. The… uh the werewolf movie from world of London. yeah The world from London, yeah. Yeah, the moon dance van morrison wonderful night for a moon dance right yep or my favorite is warren’s in it werewolves was London, right? Right. I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada his hair is perfect hair was perfect that’s a great song.
Another one’s called Excitable Boy, if you’ve ever listened to Warren Zevon. Oh, I have. Okay. He’s very happy. Very good, yeah. Yeah, very happy song. Yeah, that is, yeah. That’s a good one. I would suggest anybody listening, listen to Warren Zevon. He’s a very good, he was a very good songwriter. Right, no longer with us. Yeah, so sad. That’s interesting. So these things were howling at you. Apparently, yeah. Did you howl back? I did not, no. Didn’t return the favor. I did not. I still had to make sure it wasn’t like some sort of an ear problem or some interference. I need to get my ear trimmer out. That is the ear. That is the ear that I unexpectedly read across a very rambunctious ear hair the other day. All right.
It’s like, how did this one get this long? Yeah. So quickly, yeah. You’ll laugh, but as a joke, I bought Miles a pink ear trimmer and had Amazon send it to him just as a joke. He was not amused. Does he have ear hair issues? I was saying that he did. And then all of a sudden he gets a box and he’s like, what the hell is this? But I got a… He always has… He always has everything pink because he breaks everything. So he just gets his wife’s hand-me-downs and she always buys stuff in pink. He got a brand new ear, nose, hair trimmer in pink. Plus it saved me like $2. Well, it’s also easy to find, right? So you won’t misplace it if it’s bright pink. Exactly. It did not have Mary Kay stamped on it. That would have been the kicker. Dogman sticker.
Yeah, dog man sticker. Is there anything else we can say about the dog? I have not had a dog man experience other than the wolf. I wish, well, maybe I don’t wish I would. Yeah. This is one of those cryptids I could probably do without, you know. Yeah. Sometimes I take… I’ll stick with a flatwood monster. Well, I mean, and you live in an area where the imagination can kind of started going a little bit, I just go out into my backyard in suburban San Jose, and I think about what I would feel like, you know, talking about Bigfoots being, what, eight, 10 feet tall? I’m just picturing something like that sort of licking over my six and a half foot, seven foot tall fence while I’m out there taking the dog, waiting for it to go to the bathroom. And it’s like, you know, I don’t even want to start picturing that too much because it’s just a little bit too long. Yeah, no, we, I’m thinking, we, I mean…
the potential is there. The woods that are in my backyard, uh, stretch out and attach to other woods. So we’re kind of at a narrow point in the woods but um and by narrow, I mean, you know, not like a tree, but you know, like, I don’t know, quarter mile or something. And then, you know, but it goes back in there. You could, you could follow it back. Well, I think you do. You talked about the house cats that you’re showing. You just tie like some fishing line onto the house cat and you let it go into the woods. And if it feels something tugging on it, just reel it in real fast. Could be that groundhog though. Lonely groundhog. And his beaver buddy, right? Yeah, his beaver buddy, exactly. Oh my goodness. But no, I don’t know. You know, I always say, I always think,
personally that i would love to encounter any of this stuff just because it’s so darn interesting it’s so interesting yes but yeah i would but i am i don’t know that i’m gonna go to bray road at night but yeah i will go there during the day when i when i get up there and which may be uh in 2025 not i said this year but i mean in in in the summer probably this next summer in 2025 so we’ll see yeah like i said bring Bring the phone and have the camera at the ready, yeah. Yeah, I think I’ll, what should I, we said he was eating something in the one thing, like a raccoon. Right, like roadkill, uh-huh. Yeah, well, there’s lots of that. It’s like chumming the water for sharks. Just get a bunch of roadkill and sort of dump it on the edge of Bray Road and just drive slowly up and down. Here’s a possum and a skunk and a squirrel. Start saving it. Right, you’re going next summer. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Well, we just had a skunk hit out front of the house, which was fantastic. Yeah, get one of those. You have an extra freezer in your garage or something? Yeah, I don’t have an extra one. The one we have is kind of too full, I keep saying, but no one listens. You need a roadkill freezer in the garage. Yeah. Okay, well, I might be able to pick one up. And then rent a truck. Yeah, rent a truck when you’re going up to Brave Road and just start, you know. Yeah, I’m sure the The residents along Bray Road would love me checking out Roadkill from six months ago onto their… If you do that, definitely record that part. That’s right. Wait till the cops show up. I’m chumming for the beast. Probably not the kind of encounter that you’re looking to have, but you’ll probably have some kind of encounter. Yeah, and they’ll be like, do I know you? Well, Rob…
Thank you very much for this in-depth conversation. I don’t know that we’re going to go 500 episodes with this one, but we’ll at least have one. We’ve got one in the books. We’ve got one. And everybody, remember that you can find more of Rob’s stuff at Your Most Interesting Story. And then it’s youtube.com slash at YMIS podcast to listen. And I was on there not too long ago. Yes, indeed. Check it out. It’s a great story. And hopefully if you head over to the podcast, you’ll get to hear one of Bob’s most interesting stories, personal story. Yeah, one of them. It won’t be about the fox or the wolf. Come on again. Come on again for the basketball head-sized fox. Well, that’s the whole story. I mean, I literally just watched. He just walked along. It’s not a terribly interesting one, unfortunately. Yeah.
I didn’t chase after him or wrestle him or anything. He didn’t say Gadara. He didn’t say Gadara. He didn’t, he didn’t even look at me. He have cared less. So go over and listen to that. And, and who knows, maybe we’ll, what’s the next cryptid, Rob? You want to say it now or you want to save it? We could do the classic Bigfoot. That’s always, I mean, I want to do the Flatwoods. I’m going to do a lot of, A lot more research to try. Well, I have a story about the Van Meter Visitor. Right. You went to Van Meter. A personal story. Yeah, a personal story. Well, let’s do that one. Want to do that one? Let’s be obscure. Yeah, I got to do some research on that one. I’m very interested to dig into the Van Meter Visitor. Well, unfortunately, Van Meter Visitor is kind of like Mothman in a way because it’s a flying cryptid. But do you think we should need to diversify a little more? I don’t know. We’ll just make a live decision. That one’s in the queue.
What’s another one that’s not flying? Since we’ve already done a flying one, now we’ve done a furry one. We could do the Kentucky goblins. Oh, yes. I actually wanted to go visit that as well. Let’s do that one next. Kentucky goblins. Perfect. Let’s do those. That’s another totally different cryptid. We’ll eventually work our way around to the visitors. All right. Stay tuned for the visitor. The next one will be the goblins. All right, and this has been a conversation about the dog man with Rob from Your Most Interesting Story. Check him out, youtube.com slash at YMIS podcast for all the good stuff. And we’ll see you next time with a few goblins.